How did my father die?
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Can you blame Obi Wan for lying? Why don’t we look at George Lucas’ take on this flashback, finally brought to life in Revenge of the Sith. I will with hold my personal opinion for now.
I suggest skipping the fight and cutting right to the end of this scene, if you can stomach it. Too bad Kenobi didn’t have the decency to finish Anakin off (thereby putting him out of the immediate discomfort of having had all his limbs chopped off AND being on fire).
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At that point, Anakin had murdered just about everyone Obi wan had ever cared about… including several dozen children (wtf is a “youngling”? Jeezuz!). So, leaving a chopped up serial killer to slowly burn to death by the side of a pool of lava sounds just fine with me. F**k ’em.
I’d get some marshmallows…
So…
it occurs to me. Obi-Wan battles evil Anakin, leaves him for dead, engulfed in flames and roasting on the shore of a lava-river. Yet, Kenobi recognizes Vader, decades later, as his supposedly dead former student. HOW!?!?!?
I suspect he found out his name was Darth Vader along the years, maybe even during Revenge of the Sith (I don’t remember) and put two and two together. Maybe even meditating on the subject, the answers were provided to him.
“I felt a prescence I had not felt in a very long time….”
You realize everyone has their own ‘feel’ in The Force, right?
Yeah I understand Obiwan figured he would die on his own, but couldn’t he have thrown his lightsaber to finish him off, Force boomerang style? I suppose he never wanted that fight to begin with and was “glad” that it was done, so he left at the first possible chance.
Well in “Revenge of the Sith” Anakin is called Darth Vader by Palps. So naturally some time over those 19-20 odd years of living as a hermit, he probably ventured into Mos Eisely or some other peice of civilization and heard about a “Darth Vader: Badass RoboCop of the Empire” roaming about.
P.S. Actually happens apparently in ‘Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader ‘ by James Luceno.
Good idea. We only go by Original Trilogy canon, however.
awesome cartoons. I figure even by using original trilogy cannon only he’d know Vader was Anakin due to the force
Yes obviously it is and here’s why.
When Obiwan first resurfaces Darth Vader senses him and says something to the effect of I feel a disturbance in the force, a presence I have not felt in a long time.
Forgive me for not quoting verbatim but it’s been a while since I watched Episode 4.
So if Darth could recognise the way Obiwan felt then I’m pretty sure Obiwan could do the same.
Hah, that made me realize that Luke never found out Obi-Wan tried to kill his father, and that Obi-Wan blatantly avoids telling that part of the story twice. Never really gave that any thought until now.
“Only a Sith deals in absolutes.” Snort. What a silly line. Obiwan was making an absolute statement with that statement. Besides, good and evil have always been absolutes. Most things in this universe of ours are absolutes. Positive charge, negative charge. Energy, the absence thereof, etc.
I agree with most of your statement, but “good and evil have always been absolutes” strikes me as wrong. They are entirely subjective notions with no real objective definition.
I actually disallowed your last comment because of your name. It looked, at first, like a spambot.
The universe may be composed of absolutes, but it could not continue to exist without the *interactions* between the dualities over the course of time. No one is either *completely* good or completely evil. Human Nature and human behavior are just a display of those two extremes interacting in variable amounts.
Recall that even Darth Vader was redeemed by the end of Ep IV and even later on, Luke even willingly joined Palpatine…And also fell to the Dark Side. In turn, it took Leia’s help to redeem Luke once again.
Good and evil have always been absolutes. Whether this strikes someone as right or wrong is objectively immaterial. Subjectively, I can sympathize with those confused by their own subjectivist (nihilistic and existentialist) ideation. If your philosophy leads you to a dead end, drop it and find a better one. A philosopher is worthless when he bandies about terms like objective and subjective, but cannot define either term to anyone else’s satisfaction. Always start with Scholasticism and never stop before you exhaust Analytics. Most philosophers would tell you if they could, you are better off not to start at all. As Yoda would put it – “Do, or do not. There is no try.”
“Do, or do not. There is no try.”
There is an inherent fallacy in there…By definition, “try” requires active effort to perform some task or reach some goal. Without “try,” how there there ever be “do?” Success in any endeavor MUST involve some form of effort, even if that effort is in a passive form (such as deciding NOT to interfere with an ongoing event; any interference would only cause negative effect; the “effort” in such a case is MENTAL, so as to make the decision).
Without expending some form of effort, the only end result possible would be failure; If there is no “try” then there can be no “do,” only “do not.”
Obi: he killed a bunch of kids and close friends of mine, then single handed ended a 5 year war by killing everyone on both sides. and he got triple amputated and immolated. for a badass he was kind of a pansy about that.
Luke: That explains why i shoot Whomprats out of boredom. and keep whining about simple things like picking up power convertors.
So basically Star Wars is a story about either a serial killer finding redemption, or a kid dealing with the angst of having a serial killer for a father. Lets hope Lucas was not writing about his own personal life experiences (or personal demons) there. Just sayin.